Every nerve of my body knows that his hesitation and then followed his own quote with his own exact wording of "Torture works" meant he was lying through his teeth.
Nobody higher up told him that. He has no qualms at being a habitual liar. Lied about the crowd "Largest OF ALL TIME!"..crazy.
I'm telling you..he is a lizard. Soon,he will send in troops and tanks...to San Francisco. Just a matter of time.